Nuclear Age

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1 Monday, 19 June 2006 21:13
Michael Holdcroft
Now that I read some of the comments I realise that in the back of my mind are two things. 1. The Prime Minister is very good at dividing and confusing the electorate and 2. He often uses an issue to sidetrack truth (ie) Children overboard and the Manildra(?) ethonol affair. I do not trust him or any group nominated by him to be open and without baggage. The inquiry is into nuclear power, why not into power and all the options? Why just Nuclear. A side issue, does he or his family (trust) or Liberal members have shares in Uranium Productionj? Just wondering.
2 Monday, 19 June 2006 21:24
Kathy Webber
Why nuclear? There are proven solutions to energy production without using nuclear or fossil fuels...Why are we as a people not looking at alternatives...We cannot dismiss solar thermal but we do...Photovoltaics maybe expensive but is fine for small installations...Hydro is suitable in the areas where we have already dammed the rivers...geothermal is suitable in certain areas...a few i have comne up with and i'm no energy engineer...
and back to solar thermal, well 24/7 power is possible using this method over photovoltaics, but alas the money makers have huge investments in depleting fuel sources and solar thermal is impossible to claim "we are running out of fuel and need to charge more"...
3 Monday, 19 June 2006 21:26
john james
it sometimes amazes me the number of people who comment against neuclear power generation without even knowing the first thingabout the subject ,, this is probably because most people associate neuclear power with bombs
4 Monday, 19 June 2006 21:54
Matthew Smith
I am not sure why we are chossing to debate over antiquated technology that provided the world with nuclear bombs, and economic woes, cyclotron's can produce all the medical isotopes needed and 3billion dollars can be used to research other safer means (ie. cancer prevention). lethal waste, highly subsidised energy verses clean renewables that are economic windfalls (eg. vester wind power). this nuclear makes no money, more waste, no sense, but more death.
5 Monday, 19 June 2006 23:05
Veronica Jackson
We can certainly obtain our power resources by means other than nuclear energy.
How about we use the greatest power commodity we have here in Australia....
""Good Ole' Sunshine"".......SOLAR power...
Solar power is what we should be looking to.
The sun is in abundance here.
Let others use nuclear energy if they wish....we should be smarter than they are.....
Use our knowledge and resources, and use them wisely.
6 Monday, 19 June 2006 23:18
Dick Schafer
after reading the above comments, it is obvious that the voting public have become very cynical of the motives behind any decision made by government regardless of political persuasion.
Unless someone can come up with the means of ending the dominance of fuel corporations we really have no choice but to go nuclear. Who do you think blocks bio fuels and research into other energy sources?
7 Monday, 19 June 2006 23:46
Jeannette Tsoulos
It's time we decided to leave uranium in the ground, first because in selling it we are complicit in the build-up of more and more nuclear weapons - once it's out of our hands, we can't police where it will end up; secondly because Australia needs to stop relying on primary industry and mining as its sole economic base. We need to develop as high-tech producers.

Nuclear power in Australia is no way to go - or anywhere else, for that matter. It's fine until something goes wrong, but then it can be extremely polluting. One terrorist bomb or suicide plane could unleash uncontrollable radiation from a disabled nuclear power plant.

We must try wind, wave, solar and other types of natural, non-polluting methods, but ABOVE ALL we need to change our lifestyle so as to conserve energy, not waste it. There will have to be a radical change in our lifestyle soon, in any case, as oil wells begin to dry up.

8 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 06:43
Nige Edwards
Perhaps those who are terrified of the uranium industry should consider the fact that the coal industry is far more dangerous. In China, there are 6000 coal mining fatalities each year. Even in the US, where standards are much higher, coal kills over 90 each year - all without taking into account environmental health considerations.

I daresay that in the course of the 20th century, coal has killed more people than uranium, even when you include Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
9 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 08:04
Brian Gibbons
How much uranium is in the ground?
How long will it last if there is global use of the resource?
Is this another short term solution to the energy situation as were oil and coal?
Will we have the same 'endless supplies' scenarios as with oil in the 80s?
10 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 08:46
Jaye Newland
I do not trust The Prime Minister, on any of his statements. He has successfully endochrinated, seemingly, a substantial number of the citizens to his way of thinking. He has done this over a number of years by spending taxpayers money to flood them with his untruthful messages.
He has successfully used fear directed at his "aspirationals" who have very big mortgages and are bound by uncertainity and now have the added fear about job security.
The Prime Minister lacks courage in doing the right thing by the Australian people, in not addressing alternate energy, as his corporate mates would not be happy with him.
11 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 09:19
Megan Bytheway
There are so many things wrong with nuclear - and the PMs agenda is something additional to these pitfalls... the short and long-term environmental damage, the inter-generational inequity (leaving nuclear waste for future generations to deal with), and the inefficient life-cycle economics are just some of the costs of nuclear power. Australia has the technology and know-how to provide many cleaner energy alternatives that achieve the same ends – cutting greenhouse gas emissions and providing base-load power.

As the Clever Country, Australia has the ability and the responsibility to provide innovative, clean and green solutions for our energy crisis. As it stands, nuclear is a short-term solution with long-term ramifications, it does not make economic sense, and it is not clean or green. Australia can do better.

For life-cycle economics of electricity generation see: Gagnon, L, Belanger, C and Uchiyama, Y, (2002) "Life-cycle assessment of electricity generation options: The status of research in 2001," Energy Policy, 30, pp1267-1278.
12 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 09:42
Sam Powrie
For a quick but thorough appraisal of nuclear power as a 'g;obal warming strategy' please read FEASTA's excellent document at www.feasta.org. Nuclear power cannot be a solution to climate change or energy depletion simply because there is not enough nuclear fuel to go around to meet either of these challenges. If the world swapped over to nuclear power, affordable uranium (that which actually ended up with a positive energy yield) would last about 6 years! At the current tiny rate of use they will only last about 75 years anyway! We need to get real about this and think about future generations!
13 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 09:56
Travis Franklin
To all those who talk about solar - the lights in my rooms of my flat are all solar powered. It wasn't overlly expensive to set up and my battery is also hooked up to the mains so on cloudy days I still end up with a full battery. Guess what? The power went out the other night and my flat shone like a beacon. My neighbours were stunned. The fact that the power came back on in only a few minutes is nothing.

The fact is Solar is cheap. It's dear when you compare it to your electricity bill but once you are set up that's it. Solar - the gift that keeps on giving
14 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 10:02
bruce
can some please tell me how we are going to keep supplying to the growing population if we dont move forward with nuclear power.coal is running out ,we have taken years to develop solar and wind energy with very low results,how much longer can we wait?
15 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 10:16
Dan O'Moore
I think that if we are to have nuclear power plants then those polititions and thier families in favour of the nukes should have to live next to them for the lifetime of the plant. Let's see the resolve if that were legislation.
16 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 10:24
John Saunders
A survey like this is bound to attract passionate and biased responses - in short, an unbalanced view of community sentiment is the result. As such, I put little value in this methodology. It would be far better to go by the Morgan Gallup survey which is a random selection of people in the community, not those with the inclination and passion to respond to on-line surveys.

For my money - nuclear is the way of the future. Nuclear fusion that is, not fission. In the interim, why is there no push by State or Federal governments to encourage people to utilize solar cells on the roofs of houses? If every house had one panel of solar cells on the roof, feeding electricity back into the power grid and giving credit for the back-flow to the householder, we should (in theory) be able to boost energy production, reduce greenhouse emissions from coal-fired power generation, and avoid the unsightliness of wind turbines.
17 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 10:36
Jonathan Richards
If Australia was really a clever country full of smart states and intelligent designers there would be solar panels on every roof for all our power needs. Development of non-polluting energy sources would be well advanced, while water collection, distribution and use would be similarly designed to reduce the number of dams, leaks and wastage. When will we beat our own indifference? Not under the present government, thats for sure!
18 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 12:15
Robert Rands

The current Federal government caucus seems to believe that uranium mining and processing is somehow a positive contribution toward a sustainable built environment, both locally and globally.

I am informed by the conclusion of the Ranger Uranium Inquiry, which stated that uranium mining (and the nuclear fuel cycle) adds to the risk of nuclear war. Nothing has changed in the past 30 years to lessen this threat. Current events in Iran underscore the fact that enrichment technology is dual use, and that nuclear electricity feedstocks and waste products are dual use.

Here in Australia, we have a real opportunity to contribute to safe solutions to the global energy crisis.

The attached papers show a method of analysis which promises a more rational debate on needs and consequences.

R Rands
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19 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:19
Brian Johnson
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June 20 2006

If only there were Australian political leadership taking their cue from ordinary residents instead of the corporate money makers that don’t represent our needs.
We can input letters to the editor regarding out-of-Sydney, out-of-congestion airports, out of Sydney research reactors, no expanded Botany port facilities, no to polluting chemical facilities on our bay, no to nuclear power stations, yes to mandatory rainwater tanks and yes to recycling our sewage instead of dumping in the ocean…but what good does it do if Howard, Beazley or Iemma are totally ignoring this one lousy form of democratic input, never once answering the people that write these frustrated cries for common sense!
The truth is, neither major party deserve to be in power in this country.
They’re both out of touch with our needs and this is the way they like it!

Brian Johnson

Gymea
20 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 19:32
Anonymous
There is not enough uranium in the world for nuclear power to be a long tern alternative to gas and coal. In fact, if nuclear power did replace gas and coal as the world's primary energy source we would run out of high grade uranium by 2016.

Apparently nuclear power is being looked at as a possible solution to climate change. Please explain to me the logic behind this? Although it is true that nuclear power plants have low emissions, the nuclear fuel cycle and processes of mining, milling, decommissioning and waste management are heavy greenhouse polluters. In fact, after we use the high grade uranium ore deposits, if we were to use the remaining low grade ore to fuel nuclear power stations they would consume more energy than they produce.

Furthermore, the nuclear fuel cycle comes with an unreasonable degree of health, safety and environmental risks. For example Sellafield, Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, have left thousands of hectares of farmland useless for food production, and indirectly caused the deaths of thousands of people. Even in the last few years there has been a fire at Roxby Downs, leaks at Ranger and explosions at Tokaimura in Japan.

May I suggest that the cabinet's time would be better spent looking into energy efficiency and gas and coal alternatives such as solar, wind, tidal, geothermal and hydrogen fuel cell technology.
21 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 20:26
Betty Daly-King
No one talks about the water that is needed, both to mine uranium and to produce nuclear power. We have a national water crisis that is probably more serious than the energy crisis. Uranium mining can only be 95% clean and that means that 5% contamination is spewing out into environment continuously. Where is the publicity about the dead wildlife around water at Roxby Downs, for instance? The public is voting without knowing the half!
22 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 21:17
June Parker
How much uranium is left..plenty.. for now BUT only a small proportion is hi grade. When that has been used radioactive rocks will have to be transported, pulverised and the residue dumped (where?). More mess, more sick people. For 10,000 tonnes of rock only 1 tonne of uranium oxide is extracted. We are on the verge of opening pandoras box...very few people comprehend what we are unleashing just to have a reactor for a safe 20 years that will take billions of dollars to decommission if it doesnt blow, like Chernoble or melt down like Three Mile Island. As Monmica Jackson says...we do not need nuke for medical purposes either. Cyclotrones can produce the isotopes far more safely. Nuke power is dirty, dangerous and VERY expensive Leave uranium in the ground UNMINED. .
23 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 21:53
Anne Lee
I totally disagree with having nuclear power. It is safe until there is an accident - then it will be an irreversable disaster. There is no such thing as safe nuclear energy. It is dangerous in every respect. If we start enriching uranium that will increase the temptation to sell this or worse make our own weapons. We have plenty of other alternatives for safe green energy in this counry if the government was willing to invest in them eg wind power, solar power. Why doesn't the government invest in these alternatives?

While we are on the nuclear issue, it would be good if Australia used its good rapport with the USA to encourage the USA to scale down its nuclear arms. Why do they think other countries are panicking to make more weapons- because they are afraid of the USA. The USA should practice what it preaches as far as weapons are concerned. Unitil then it will be very dificult to achieve world peace.
24 Tuesday, 20 June 2006 22:06
Nige Edwards
btw, I feel I need to respond to Betty Daly-King. Take it from someone who spent a year working and living at Roxby Downs, and pursued an interest in the local wildlife. The environmental problems there do not relate to uranium, but to the cyanide and sulphur spills and emissions of the of the onsite gold and copper processing plants. The radiation level from the uranium there is considerably less than what you receive by sitting in front of your TV.

Should we ban gold and copper mining and exports too?
25 Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:34
Benny Zable
When the fossil fuel consumption of the nuclear fuel cycle, including mining, refining, transport, plant construction, shielding, waste disposal, terrorism protection, and capacity factor over the life of the plant are considered, nuclear is a marginal net energy source and substantial greenhouse contributor. Further, if we are to expect more frequent extreme weather conditions, as we are seeing now around the world, the Nuclear Power Industry will be an added liability and danger to life.
Better promote, research and empower lifestyles that encourages less waste, more conservation and community planned appropiate technology usage.
Remember "Less is More".
26 Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:43
Shirley Crane
On such a huge issue, there shouldn't just be parliamentary committees, there should be a measure of community consultation. By that, I don't mean public meetings - those would just end up being a 'slanging match' between the Fors and Againsts, but there should be some way of allowing the public to vote on it, something organised along the lines of a referendum, perhaps? (I know a referendum is only for constitutional issues, but there must be some mechanism for allowing a public poll on questions of such national importance.) The people should decide this issue - not the 'pollies'.
27 Wednesday, 21 June 2006 13:20
Arthur Pearsall
Since these things are now regarded as completely safe by the proponents, I think that the nuclear power stations and the waste storage should be kept near where the power is most used. Outside parliament house Canberra, in Martin Place sydney, and near Flinders st station in Melbourne.
cheers
Arthur
28 Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:33
Sandra Taylor
None of the political bodies( individuals), will ever worry like we the public , the majority here do,'They have the money the means to move to better places, better cleaner places at the drop of the preverbial hat.
How many of these pollies take realistic care of enviroment daily. Unles s of course by way of solar powered things etc, that the every day family cannot afford, same with tanks etc,i would love a solar powered water supply, a new car( energy efficient) , ducted heating from solar, Pool etc. I would love to even purchase them, witht the rebate, no good having a rebate when you don,t have the cash to purchase first.
We, in my family only flush the loo if its a must( during the night), we shower every 2 nnd day, we got a water saver shower head 8 yrs ago, we turn what powered items off daiy, and reset every night, when home, we cannot afford heating, or electric blankets ets.
We always do car, dog, patio etc with bucket, where do we get a bit of reward, too late for rewarding us.
Ok so buy us a water tank to say thanks, well i don,t think so, they don,t care,
How many pollies turn all the electrical things off during the day, remote controls etc to everything gee, wake up Aust.
I just spent 3 days in public hospital had small heart attack, kicked out of my public bed in CCU, for a private patient, who,s private doc was on call at the public hospital, he didn,t want to have to travel to his private hospital 20 mins away to do procedure,( 20 min procedure).
I and another public heart patient had to go home, still no idea when we will be seen again, no idea whats wrong yet either.Politics.
We have the rich and poor in Australia, who would believed that 40 yrs ago, we had 3 classes, now the richer getting richer and more privelaged, and us poor getting poorer and sicker every day.
And now the worry of nuclear crap.
What about helping us porr to health.
I have waited 8 yrs for a top set of teeth, I work voluntary in our hospitals in my community, cos I am disabled, I run a group, a rehab . recovery group for people at risk of suicide, people, with mental health worries/ illness etc, I run this 2 days a week for round 40 adults, yet the govt are making me quit my volunteer work running this community service where I also have 4 volunteers, and they want to send me to work voluntary somewhere else for my disability pension, thei will mean i have to closse my group, up to 40 disabled people will have no help, be at risk of death suicide, be without at least 2 good meals a week, cos the govt are going to send me to volunteers somewhere they chose, maybe licking envelopes in their office.
I pay for my own training to upskill to keep being able to nurse, nurture the ill, legally, Can only use my head as the body wracked with pain and ill health.
My group has been running 13 years, 6 with me at the realm,over 4000 peole been through our doors.
in last 4 yrs.
And people voted these idiots in.
I,m no bludger, I,m not wroughting system, I work to help those who ned help, plus keep myself alive, would die if I had to stop caring for others, but the government and the people who vote them in, have no idea what they are doing.
Volunteer week, oh yes, to those who gloat, to those who seem to be seen.
We cannot get our bills paid cos we cannot make decision between bills paid or health scripts etc.
All crap.
Sorry,
Nuclear is just money grabbing bbbsss.
They can afforrd the nuclear medicines we cannot. will die before any of that, we need to be clean air, less worry on PEOPLE.
29 Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:15
Andy Eastman
A subject not mentioned by the Big Money Nuclear Lobby
is the incidence of extraterrestrial UFO
(Unhuman Flying Object) activity in direct
correlation to Nuclear Nazi activities.
This has been covered by
Linda Moulton Howe in her work called Strange Harvest
that details abilities of UFO's to enter any air space
irrespective of human military technology.
UFO Intelligences have the ability to shut down ANY Nuclear Nazi Military and
the result could be a Giant Race War in
which ALL WHITE PEOPLE WILL DIE !
This is why I always say "NO Nukes are good Nukes !!!"
30 Thursday, 22 June 2006 15:01
David Livingstone
A proper inquiry needs to look at all forms of power generation, not just nuclear energy. Australia needs to set an example to the world by advancing the research and production of renewable energy sources such as solar and wind energy, which I believe we are poised to take advantage of with our abundance of sunlight and strong onshore winds. Why is John Howard biased towards nuclear energy I wonder? It seems he is more interested in short term financial gain than long term consequences for the environment. Doen't he think about what the future may hold if Australia goes down the nuclear path and that future generations may have to pick up the pieces if something goes wrong?
31 Thursday, 22 June 2006 19:26
C.Westlake
as has been said above solar and wind are wonderful options instead of spending billions on making nuclear power plant why not spend billions on installing solar panels on new housing and developing roofing tiles that are actually solar tiles. we have such vast amounts of land that is not being used and is really not practicalably livable land but solar friendly and areas that are wind friendly. we need to retrain ourselves in the efficent use of energy and water. my nanna alwasy used to go mad at me for water waste and power use. NOW I KNOW WHY..

come on people don't be fooled...............

i want what ever future world, to be cleaner not more toxic.
32 Friday, 23 June 2006 15:59
Lisa Farrall
Yes, I wondered who owned shares in what, too. There's lots of mention of solar, but little of micro hydro. I guess that isn't as big an option here as in Germany.

People associate nuclear with weapons because sometimes they are nuclear weapons.

The Howard Liberal Government has proven to be completely untrustworthy, this discussion is clarifying that. Now that Murdoch has begun to withdraw support for the lying scumbag, will Australians get permission to think about alternatives? Let's see.
33 Friday, 23 June 2006 21:04
Caitlin Street
Brian Johnson wrote "The truth is, neither major party deserve to be in power in this country."

I agree. We must ensure our local members are more afraid of their electorate than their party whips!! Perhaps if all seats become swinging seats, our elected 'representatives' may represent us, rather than the commercial lobbyists.

Spin seems to overwhelm all, except our cynicism.

Caitlin Street
34 Wednesday, 28 June 2006 23:27
Anne
Now PM Blair is looking towards nuclear power,all countries should consider where they will store their waste.We don't want it in our backyard I don't care how much the government would make.Premier Carpenter is right in saying uranium wont be mined in WA,there are other alternatives.
35 Sunday, 05 November 2006 19:43
Brian Johnson

Brian Johnson

November 5 2006

By stealth, our insidious Prime Minister has eroded our democracy to the point where he seemingly is able to divide, confuse, and possibly convince the majority his furrowed, concerned brow is one of integrity.



The government’s build up to nuclear power along with no promise from Labor they wouldn't do the same if pushed, even agreeing with the Libs on the export of more uranium, is leading us to a further weakening of our right to say no to this dangerous nuclear world.



The next step will be making nuclear weapons and we all know what that leads to!



If we're to believe we live in a true democracy, why is it we can't have a nuclear referendum!

Brian Johnson

Gymea


36 Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:27
Noel Mc Dowell
Having read the notes contained above, one can only come to 2 conclusions:
(1). Political bias is behind the majority of comments, not rational sientific evaluation.
(2). Constant reference to "dangerious" results have most people against what is an everyday operation in most European countries.
also 99% of neuclear power stations have been operating for years without any problems. These are ran by extremely dedicated engineers, and professionals, who know their work, not hotheads with an axe to grind.
What will generate the power required when the sun goes down, and when the wind is not blowing strongly enough to turn the generators at the speed required to produce power? (answer: only coal, gas or neuclear powered stations eh!!)

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